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 Post subject: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Any suggestions?

- flat flywheel, 8.5", absolute max 225 lb-ft, fairly gentle driver, but want no issues in the future.

- cable actuated, which has broken on me twice, so nothing too heavy

Dealer for non-intercooled 240 Turbo, $228, seems my best option so far for pressure plate.

Altrom list same for Turbo & non, so don't trust that, Sachs or not.

The only jobber listings (Fenco & Pioneer) are no stock anywhere.

FCP doesn't have a listing??

I don't have WorldPac log-in, if someone does, let me know (I have Ben at 4-Star helping, so he may take care of that for me)
There was one other wholesaler mentioend here- like Altrom, but not?

Coarse spline, so 78 & prior for disc, but willing to buy a 240T kit and a swap out the disc.

Spec list an appplication, but who's to say if it's in stock, plus those d**ned UPs fees

VPD (Parker) list an appplication, but who's to say if it's in stock, plus those d**ned UPs fees

RSI has been mailed, awaiting reply.

IPd, surprisingly, no longer carry one... or it' been sold out for 30+ days


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:28 pm 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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Just a generic F&S (I think) 8.5" clutch has held up fine in all my turbo cars. Granted none of them have been insane, but 185 to over 200 horsepower would be reasonable figures. And Turbo torque.

They get stronger as they get older, keep in mind. These clutches may have slipped when they were new, but I don't install new parts too often anymore.

They won't bark the tires in 3rd, but if shifted properly they'll hold up fine.


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:10 pm 
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Stock.

F&S won't sell you a kit for a 240T non-IC car anymore through IMC or worldpac. The turbo disc is all that is different between turbo and N/A cars. The pressure plate is the same as any other 80s 240 (and probably 70s as well).

I'd check the part #s for the pressure plate against an 80s flat flywheel 240 and buy a whole kit through worldpac or IMC and get the release bearing and whatever else they give you for less than what it costs to get a plate and disc separately if the plate is the same. One would need/want (it is possible to go without one) an alignment tool I'd imagine...

Centerforce doesn't make a clutch for the early coarse spline cars. I like those as a mild/drivable clutch that is a little stronger than stock (it is basically just a modified stock unit anyway for the most part).


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:46 pm 
Somehow completely sideways in 4th

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945_James wrote:
Stock.

F&S won't sell you a kit for a 240T non-IC car anymore through IMC or worldpac. The turbo disc is all that is different between turbo and N/A cars. The pressure plate is the same as any other 80s 240 (and probably 70s as well).

I'd check the part #s for the pressure plate against an 80s flat flywheel 240 and buy a whole kit through worldpac or IMC and get the release bearing and whatever else they give you for less than what it costs to get a plate and disc separately if the plate is the same. One would need/want (it is possible to go without one) an alignment tool I'd imagine...

Centerforce doesn't make a clutch for the early coarse spline cars. I like those as a mild/drivable clutch that is a little stronger than stock (it is basically just a modified stock unit anyway for the most part).


You lost me...? Pressure plate for a 240 Turbo was/is/should be different than a naturally aspirated. I can dig up and post Volvo number to that effect.


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:00 pm 
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I see the same number for a pressure plate turbo and N/A, but different #s for a disc.

*shrug*

Having installed several new and taken out plenty of used, I haven't noticed a difference in the plate, but have in the disc.


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Ian,

I've got a "spec" blue pressure plate. I don't know what the % increase is. It has 5K miles on it. I bought it and am never going to use it. Its for a flat 8.5" flywheel. You can have it cheap. It will be in the city early May.

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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:27 pm 
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Well, I'm theoretically planning to have this together for IPD... right now I am thinking of using what I have with some type of adjustment in set up- may have to go to a thinner disc or something.

Ben at Four Star tells me that a lot of the hints this set up has been giving me- the cables breaking, the adjustment at the range limit, mean I've got a wrong assortment of components, and that there's probably an easy fix with OE style components...or he has access to a heavier Borg & Beck plate.

I emailed Spec, and they were impressive: quick, thorough customer service and a toll free number which I followed up through. It was notable they were very conservative in their estimations of their product- 200lbft max for stage 2+ and 240 for stage 3. IIRC, Kenny- Kenny the Heeb, not Kenny Bondo, ran 13 flat's in a near full weight 700 on their stage 3, so 240 is conservative. ;)

I emailed Parker, and got no reply.

I emailed RSI, and got no reply.
I have to say I am a little dissappointed in those two. I can get a little p*ssy with some people, but I haven't done so with either of those two- we've had good transactions before, in fact. As opposed to Van what's his face... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:23 am 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!

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iadr wrote:

I emailed Parker, and got no reply.

I emailed RSI, and got no reply.


If Parker does happen to respond, I'd be really hesitant to send him any money. Complaints about him seem to be getting more and more common.

Typical for RSI. For whatever reason they can't seem to get a person on staff that will answer emails in a timely fashion. Jonathan told me with the latest move to a larger building and hiring of more people that the response time would be drastically reduced. Evidently not. However, sending them money isn't nearly the risk. You will get what you pay for...

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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:01 am 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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fwiw, i had a centerforce (stage?) pressure plate with a stock disc on a flat flywheel and never had any problems at 225wtq. Not sure if that's relevant or not.

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 Post subject: Re: (moderate) Performance clutch, 8.5"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:39 pm 
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What keeps me from going Centerforce is that I need the '78 & prior coarse spline disc, which they don't sell.
They use Sachs discs that they re-rivet their own material on, so there's no reason they couldn't, but thy don't.
I'm not sold on the function of their weights, so I don't see the point to getting one of their fine spline kits and using only the pressure plate.


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