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 Post subject: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:37 pm 
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Hey everyone,

We are rod and tiffany and are new to the forum. We had a chat with matt at the last lethbridge car show and decided to join the group. We purchased our first volvo in march from a salvage auction, a 1988 240dl with a/c(non-operational) and auto as its only real options for $130.

Since bringing it home, i've gone through some of the routines to get in top order. Along the way its developed a few new problems. The car when you first start it on a hot day, is either hard to start or sounds like it is lacking air, it starts but the rpm's are very low till the gas is pressed. I replaced the fuel pump relay which made a difference as it now nolonger stalls when the relay warms up, but its still having issues starting in warm weather. The fuel filter still needs to be changed so i was contemplating replacing the fuel pumps aswell to see if that makes a difference.

Has anyone else had these symptoms? I dont want to replace $300 worth of stuff for a $20 fix!

Secondly, this fuel injection non-sense is a pain in the butt, how hard would it be to convert to carb? I know electronics but i cant seem to make this car run good.

Thanks for listening and I hope to get some pictures online soon.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:27 am 
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I'm getting OK at diagnosing LH2.2 stuff and if it's an 88 b230f it should have non-bio-degradeable wiring harness and LH2.2 (I'm 99% certain here) in which case, I should be able to help you figure out what's going on :)

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:24 am 
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, i live in the NW and you can drop by any time ...



They live in Coaldale Raz... :wink:

Welcome to the forum. I'm Dale, the other chap that was standing there when you were talking to Matt... :)

Lotsa good help here including one member who lives in Coaldale...

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:31 am 
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welcome!

that '88 should be one of the most reliable 240s ever made. As Raz said, most simple fuel injection with non-degrading harness. I just bought an '89 and fixed it up for my old man and he loves it. you're going to have to put a few bucks into it, but it will be worth it. a good "stage zero" if you don't know what work has ever been done to it will be a few hundred bucks in parts (all filters, some seals, all belts, some hoses, all fluids) but after that, oil changes should do you for the next 10 years (ok, exagerating slightly). hopefully you can do the work yourself, there are a few guys down there who are super friendly and helpful too.

That's James' favorite car, I'm sure he'll chime in, and refer you to another thread where he went on and on about the best 240.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:19 am 
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Coaldale's a long way for a visit, Raz...

Swapping to a carb shouldn't be too difficult, provided you have access to an old 240 with a carb. You'll have to change not only the intake manifold and carburator but the distributor, the fuel lines, the throttle cable, and if you really want to be proper you need to provide some liquid heating for the intake manifold. Not easy, but not that bad. My concern is that the carb'd Volvos don't really run all that well either.

Now, what you really need to do is "stage 0" the car. You need to get the filters all taken care of, get the valves adjusted, ensure the camshaft is properly timed, ensure the distributor is properly timed, etc. You need to get a couple cans of carburator cleaner spray and get rid of the carbon around the throttle body, and you should probably do the same to the idle air valve. Get some AMM cleaner spray and carefully spray the AMM. Check the air hose between the throttle body and AMM for cracks (they're sneaky, hiding in the folds of the accordion). Test the engine for vacuum leaks, such as around the fuel injector lower seals and in the hundred vacuum hoses around the engine.

Once all that's done, if you're still having troubles you're going to have to get a bit more technical. It sounds like what you're saying is that the idle is low on hot days until the car warms up? It doesn't do this on cold days? Does it do this every time, or just once in a while? How long do you have to crank before the engine catches?

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:58 am 
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Pylon wrote:

Lotsa good help here including one member who lives in Coaldale...


Although it should be mentioned that these two facts are mutually exclusive...

Welcome to the forum, I am the collector of 740's in Coaldale (4 right now) which means I am likely not in my right mind. As stated above there is lots of good info/help here and the 88 240 is one of the better years I believe. I think once you get it sorted out the FI will be quite reliable and as Matt said better than a carb'd engine in the long run. I would recommend reading the 700/900 FAQ's on the Brickboard for lots of good information, although it's written for the 700/900 cars the information on the LH2.2 FI that I believe your car has is all the same and applies to your car as well. Also pasted the link from tbrix that describes what goes into doing a "Stage 0" to a 240 (or any car for that matter).

http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/

http://www.turbobricks.com/mods.php?content=art0017

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:46 am 
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how is east L.A anywhere near Coaldale?


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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:11 pm 
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how is east L.A anywhere near Coaldale?


It's a local joke based on the fact that Lethbridge addresses are divided up in to South, West, and North but no East and seeing as how Coaldale is East of Lethbridge... :wink: Also there are some in Lethbridge (i.e. L.A.) who view Coaldale as a less than desirable place to live (ever been to the close in North side of Lethbridge :vom: ) so the South Central/Compton analogy is also made, or Compdale as I have been told. :roll:

And now you know the rest of the story...

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:09 pm 
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And now you know the rest of the story...


Ahh...Paul Harvey quoted. You're a good man Jim... =D>

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
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woodenshoes wrote:



And now you know the rest of the story...


Ahh...Paul Harvey quoted. You're a good man Jim... =D>


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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:49 am 
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Yes, hi dale, you were in the white 122 coupe, correct? Raz, your in calgary or lethbridge?

I still need to replace the flame trap, fuel filter, timing belt, trans fluid(maybe a rear seal, it seems to be losing a bit of fluid), rear diff fluid and get the a/c charged.

When it comes to work being done, I've never had to do a timing belt or adjust valves before, the rest of the stuff I can do. Since I let my camaro go, I have had either something fuel injected or something new that was warranty covered, so other than routine oil changes, lately i havent done much mechanical. I am glad however that all the tools i bought for my rusty mercedes work on the volvo! YAY metric...

Thank-you for the posts, i will look through them, i have been on turbo bricks before, but i didnt pay to much attention to the site other than the fact it was volvo. This volvo is for tiffany to use in the winter and summer trips if we dont end up buying a 740 or 940 wagon.(her daily drive is a del sol although she really liked that p1800es) So I havent been looking for performance mods for this car, maybe some handling and a couple engine mods to make it a little more responsive and a little better on fuel.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:10 am 
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there was the v8 7 series, the bertone, the 122 and the p1800. matt was driving the bertone, you were in the 122, what was dale driving?

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:00 pm 
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there was the v8 7 series, the bertone, the 122 and the p1800. matt was driving the bertone, you were in the 122, what was dale driving?


Dale was driving the illegally parked 960 on the road behind us :lol: Ian (Volvord) drives the 740, and Dave Major is the owner of the ES.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:13 pm 
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do fuel pump relays crap out on the later 240s?

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