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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:20 pm 
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i took the relay apart and the solder was cracking and when it started heating up would fail. I re-soldered the connections but i decided to pick some new ones up as a backup. I was at pick your part in calgary and they had lots of them for $3 each instead of $80 at auto value. It hasn't stalled while driving since.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:57 am 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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Unbelievably common. I need to do the same in my 780 - too bad I have to remove the center console to get at it!

For parts to perk up the engine, you can do a camshaft and some exhaust work for starters. The head is the real limiting factor, and porting & polishing doesn't help THAT much in this case. You really need to add metal through welding, and then you're into a HUGE pile of work. Intake manifolds & cold air intakes are going to gain you one or two hp, an exhaust header would gain you a few, but it's never going to SCREAM.

Kyle (klr142) on Turbobricks has done lots with his stock 244 motor/fuel injection, probably more than anyone else I know while keeping the engine more or less stock. His would be a good example to follow, 'cause the car really does get up and move for a non-turbo.

Not much you can do for fuel economy, though - you can certainly do better, but how many hundreds are you willing to spend to save $1-2 at the pump? A good tune up will help a little, exhaust will help a little, lowering will help a little, good economy tires will help a little, and some aluminium sheet under the car to smooth out the airflow. Not much more to it than that... It's a brick powered by a tractor motor - you can only squeeze out so much blood from this particular stone. If you're getting 30 USMPG with a 110 kph cruise you're doing well. You probably won't do much better than about 20 in the city. It's an automatic, right? 3 speed or 4?


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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:44 pm 
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Hey Matt,

it is auto 4spd(overdrive), we haven't put enough miles on it to figure economy out. I seem to be averaging around 15L/100kms around town. Lowering was on the books and it's due for new tires. Last time I was at pyp i picked up the plastic air dam to radiator piece as well the plastic belly pan off of a glt. That according to the vacuum gauge seems to have made a difference.

What would you recommend in regards to a header or a freer flowing exhaust? Im not major into performance knowledge yet, the cams you offer are they stock lift or a performance lift?

Because its only auto and a non-turbo 240, we were transforming it into a winter daily transport as well a ski vehicle. I would like a bit more performance because tiffany is a bit of a lead foot, but I don't want to hurt my fuel economy as there will be plenty of highway kms put on this winter.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:39 am 
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We just finished our first tank averaging roughly 19.76 mpg with a mix of 60/40 highway/city driving. The starting issue hasn't been too much of a problem lately but its developed a rough idle. I still haven't done the timing belt. I want to try the rope trick but it seems too good to be true and i can just see myself bending a valve or some thing.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:09 am 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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No way man, the rope trick is the way to go!

So long as whatever cyl you're using is on the compression stroke, the valves are closed, and that rope isn't going to damage the head or pistons. I just did this on my 940 a couple of months ago.
Sounds like maybe you could use a seafoam treatment? Or have you done that already?

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:39 pm 
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No i haven't yet, I tried it this afternoon but how do i fight the stalling? the second i crack the intake pipe off of the TB the engine dies, like literally theres barley enough room to get the straw of the can in the crack before it dies. Or just take it apart and spray what i can to clean it out then run it?

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:20 pm 
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Remove a smaller vacuum line. One of the 3/16" ones on the intake manifold. Don't bother with the ones on the throttle body - they're "ported" vacuum. Keep the revs up, dab the hose in the bottle and pull it out after half a second or so, let it clear, do it again. Doing this to a litre of water before you do the seafoam is a good trick too.

You'll probably also want to clean the throttle body really well, and possibly the idle air control valve too. The IAC valve can get gunked up or it can fail outright - Get a couple extra from the pick n pull next time you're up here.

Pull and gap the plugs after you're done the seafoam treatment, change the oil (better yet, pour a can of seafoam in the oil while you're sucking it through the intake too), and that's that for now.


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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:21 pm 
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massive vaccuum leak = stall. you can't pull off a hose behind the AMM.

Clean the throttle body and idle valve manually. As for the seafoam, you can pull off one of the centrally located small vacuum lines on the intake and suck the seafoam thru there.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:27 pm 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:35 pm 
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Here's a link to pictures of the best place to suck up Seafoam, it's what i have used on all of my 740's with great success :D

http://www.threefattigers.com/Protocore ... ipples.htm

Edit: Here's the TB link to the entire thread on Seafoaming.

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=35053

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:17 pm 
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I dont have a actual can of seafoam, i was using deep creep? was that bad? It made a difference on the vacuum gauge but not much in overall smoothness. seems to have made a difference gas mileage wise, $20 is doing over 150kms so far.

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:19 pm 
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Get the Seafoam liquid (NAPA in L'bridge) and follow the directions on the tbrix article especially the preheating and the distilled water before the Seafoam. Also make sure you do the Italian tune-up after to blow all of the crap out. I have seen someone on youtube do it with the deep creep on a maxima?? Didn't seem to be as effective as the method posted on tbrix, he also made no mention of the pre-heat, water, IT after either. If you follow the tbrix method you should see results. I have also had great results with Auto-rx along with the Seafoaming, sealed up some leaks and made the engine run/pull better.

http://auto-rx.com/

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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:05 pm 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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I've had good luck also with the General Motors top end cleaner and crankcase cleaner. GM also sells a great rubber conditioner, too.


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 Post subject: Re: '88 240 start-up issue
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:50 am 
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Late model 240s are pretty fuss free. Not a toyota exactly, but pretty painless and low cost to keep going, even if they like somewhat regular attention.


Get a bentley book. Pretty straight forward.


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