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 Post subject: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:06 pm 
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This is the transmission that came out of the 740. It's pretty much toast but has a brand new output shaft seal and bushing. If someone wants it for that, I'll sell it for my core charge at PnP...$30. The bushing and seal are worth more than that. It has a kickdown cable and an unbent dipstick tube as well. Come and get it or next weekend it goes back to PnP for my core refund.

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:58 am 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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I should probably come by, grab that aw71L, and get the kick down from the aw70 and whatever else I might need. I think you said it was a real PITA to replace? I can't take 2 full tranmissions home though...

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:18 pm 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!

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I was going to pull the kickdown cable for myself but decided if I ever pulled this stupid transmission out of my car again, I'd never put an automatic back in. Not that they're bad to drive, they are horrible to work with. I think I used about 15 pounds of kitty litter to soak up all the tranny fluid that spilled on my garage floor. I hate them...

If you have it on the workbench and the pan pulled off, the kickdown cable isn't that difficult to get out. It's when you're laying on your back under the car with limited room and lighting that they are a pain...

You should swap over the tailshaft housing while you're at it...

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:51 pm 
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Pylon wrote:
Not that they're bad to drive, they are horrible to work with. I think I used about 15 pounds of kitty litter to soak up all the tranny fluid that spilled on my garage floor. I hate them...

ahahaha....yes...if I ever change any more of those I might be physically sick. First couple of times I ruined a hoodie I liked a lot...that was like 8 years ago. Don't make the mistake of leaving the pan off one overnight without a container to catch all of the drippage....they ooze an unbelievable amount... :oops: :oops:

Then I did 2 a week for a while. I got pretty fast at getting the right size vac line and clamping it over the cooling lines and hauling them to the scrap ASAP in someone else's truck before they could even think about so much as bleeding on my garage floor.

I also hate the job of doing filters, output shaft governors, main fluid valves, or some valvebody work. I will say I've saved a lot of tired AWs for people along the way though, for which I was often rewarded in some way at least. Tailshaft bushing doesn't annoy me tooo much. I can tolerate changing fluid. At least they can come out, be serviced and go back in in about 4 hours or less many times...disgusting as they are and often the cars are that they leak all over...*puke.* They drive nice...especially with a shift kit, higher stall and 4.10 behind them in a turbo...very....very...disgusting...the smell of 10+ quarts of ATF...the horror...

Worth the tailshaft already fitted and pressed in for sure...just have somewhere to drain the thing...other than your driveway or Dale's house...


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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:08 pm 
Haha, I just built a W24 Octo-Turbo, now what?!
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well with any luck dale has an aw71 that needs a kick down, and an aw70 with a kick down, and new tailshaft doohicky, both drained and pressure washed, so I can swap the good bits and take a nice clean aw71L home to swap with my aw71 sometime next year!

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:12 am 
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Hey Dale,

did you look at this?

http://www.swedishbricks.net/700900FAQ/ ... html#AW-70 Hard shifts

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:39 pm 
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Oh, that's probably a lot of it, but it was doing much more than just slamming you in the back. It felt like it was engaging 2nd gear too quickly and not releasing 1st gear fast enough. Might have been caused by that ball, but holding two gears engaged at once will wear them both heavily.


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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:47 pm 
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I guess we'll find out the shape of dales balls when we pull the kick down. you around this weekend dale?

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:25 pm 
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Worn balls (lol?) just makes it shift harder usually. The "won't completely release first" and bang into second and delayed into 3rd is classic plain tired out AW. Gummed up or incorrect fluid actuation wears clutch and brake packs very fast, exactly as Matt describes. I've put type F in them, then flushed back to dex 3 and brake cleaned the crap out of the governor, fluid valve and done the screen an brought some very tired AWs back for another many miles of service, but really, it will never shift like a new one. Burnt black fluid and real tired you should probably just find another AW...they are dirt common and good condition late late AW-71s take a good hammering.

Sometimes a odd 1-2 shift is the valve in the governor sticking. I'd remove those from the tailshaft and polish them with white scouring pad and solvent wash then very very carefully. It is hard for me to describe the symptoms of each problem that comes up with AWs individually, but I usually know which part is marginal/bad when I drive one many times.

They drive really beautifully when they are young. Especially the latest AW-71L in 940 N/A cars. 1-2 feels like a crisp cushioned *click* that happens almost instantly with no drama. I kinda like them to shift hard as long as they work and don't shred motor mounts/bang up the car or anything. Shift kit, no check balls, tighter kickdown and type F you get a nice *bang* 1-2.


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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:22 pm 
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well i never figured dale would consider putting that tranny back in, just wondered if he'd checked his balls :wink:

Now you're making me nervous! My transmission shifts beautifully, so I am sort of hesitant, ain't broke don't fix it, but I really liked the extra 2-5mpg I got in the 945T that tranny came out of. Yes, 5mpg- though some of it is my slightly low compression on two cyl, I could easily get 450miles on a tank in my '93, but I have to baby darth to get 400.

Still thinking about taking the engine apart next summer too...

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 Post subject: Re: AW70L...for parts
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:34 pm 
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swedishmeatballrocket wrote:
I guess we'll find out the shape of dales balls when we pull the kick down. you around this weekend dale?


I should be around. Got lots to do now that the sun is warming things up and drying them out. My balls rolled across the garage floor when I took a bunch of the innards of that transmission apart. :shock:

Given the quantity of metal filings in the pan when I pulled it, I'd say the problems were much more severe than worn balls...

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